While the rest of the Arrow-verse is on hiatus for the next few weeks, Legends of Tomorrow is gearing up for its Season 2 finale The Legends have spent the entire season racing against the Legion of Doom to claim the pieces of the Spear of Destiny. Now that they’ve failed, their only hope is to break one of the show’s most fundamental rules of time travel.
We recently had the chance to chat with executive producer Marc Guggenheim about the finale. Scroll down to find out what rule the Legends will break, how the relationship between Captain Cold and Heat Wave will fuel the conflict and what might be changing for the series as the Legends writer’s room prepares for Season 3. For Arrow fans, Guggenheim also teased how the rivalry between Oliver Queen and Prometheus will change in light of recent developments on the series.
IGN: You did an interview recently where you teased the idea that the Legends would have to break a major rule in order to fix things this season. Were you referring to the fact that they have to return to WWI and try to fix what they screwed up in “Fellowship of the Spear?”
Guggenheim: Yes. In our pilot, we established the rule that the Legends couldn’t return to events they’ve already participated in, for fear of breaking time. Going into this season, we were kind of enamored with the idea of going through and ending the season in kind of Ghostbusters fashion. In Ghostbusters, they established that you’re not supposed to cross the streams, and of course, that’s how they won the day at the end of the movie. We thought it would be fun to break our cardinal rule ourselves.
IGN: It seems like it could open a real can of worms for the team if they’re successful and tempt them to revisit some of the other time periods where they screwed up our lost loved ones. Do you think that might be a problem for them going forward?
Guggenheim: I think you’ll see that the consequences of breaking this rule are so severe that it forecloses any real discussion of returning to other time periods. This is not something that they’re going to want to keep repeating.
IGN: Just looking at the teaser, it seems like it’s going to be kind of an ordeal just to physically return to WWI.
Guggenheim: No, getting back is relatively easy. [laughs] It’s once they’re back that it gets really difficult.
IGN: This past week you guys introduced a completely new alternate reality in “Doomworld.” Was it fun to put that together and kind of shake up what we normally expect from these characters?
Guggenheim: Yeah, that was a blast. We really had a lot of fun breaking that story in the room. A lot of that was wish fulfillment mixed with the appropriate degree of zaniness, which I guess is really the formula for Legends.
IGN: Was there talk of maybe incorporating more Arrow-verse characters into the plot besides Felicity, or were you guys worried at some point about that getting in the way of the actual plot?
Guggenheim: Yeah, I mean, we didn’t really feel like we had room in the story to revisit a lot of other Arrow-verse characters. We had the idea that, in the Doomworld reality, Amaya and Sara were working for Damien as enforcers. Someone in the room pitched the idea of “What if they’re chasing a superhero and it’s someone from the Arrow-verse and they kill them?” We talked about a wide variety of different options, but I’ve always been very vocal about how I have no desire to ever see Felicity suit up and wear a mask. Since this was an alternate reality, I sensed a very unique opportunity to do the thing that, generally speaking, I vowed never to do.
Once we got past that cold open, there wasn’t really room for any other cameos, in large part because we were pushing so much story because it was leading into the last episode of the season. There was nothing feasible given the amount of screen time that we had to play with.
IGN: You guys teased pretty early on this season that Snart would be returning and joining the Legion of Doom, but it’s only really been in the last couple episodes that he’s started playing a major role. Was it always your plan to wait this long?
Guggenheim: Yeah, we always knew we had Wentworth [Miller] for a certain number of episodes. We knew we wanted to spend one episode with him as a sort of hallucination like in episode 208, and then we wanted to bunch all of his remaining episodes together, it being sensible to leave that until the end and delay gratification so that we were ending with the full complement of the Legion of Doom.
IGN: Rory’s been going through a tough character arc as he’s been torn between his loyalty to Snart and to the Legends. I assume that’s going to remain a big focus in the finale.
Guggenheim: Yeah. Basically, Rory is going to be forced to make the ultimate, final choice between Snart and his team. As a result of that choice, he’ll pay the ultimate price.
IGN: The team is also dealing with the death of Amaya. I imagine there will be some pretty serious consequences for the timeline if they aren’t able to prevent her death in this episode.
Guggenheim: Certainly, it’s going to screw up the CW TV series and Arrow episode 415 if they can’t set things right. I’ll say that Nick’s reaction to seeing Amaya alive in World War I is really a pivotal moment, and it’s a major reason why the plot will unfold the way it does.
IGN: What state would you say the Legion of Doom is in this episode. I assume they’re not too happy about the way Thawne betrayed them in “Doomworld?”
Guggenheim: Well, actually, without spoiling things, I’ll say that the only person from Doomworld who follows the Legends back to WWI is Thawne.
IGN: I know it’s too early to be talking about what villains might be appearing in Season 3, but do you see the Legion as being something that could maybe stick around, even if the actual lineup changes?
Guggenheim: We have a definite plan for who the antagonist or antagonists are for Season 3, but given the fact that I haven’t even pitched it to the studio or network yet, I’m reluctant to say anything in an interview.
IGN: So you’re more at the point where you’re focusing on wrapping up these current seasons than talking about what’s coming up next.
Guggenheim: Pretty much. Only because, like I said, there’s only a certain amount of Season 3 that’s been pitched to the studio so far. Right now on Legends, we’re still in post and just now getting the final digital effects for the finale. The writers are on hiatus. We’re going to pick back up in April and start plotting out Season 3 in earnest. We did what we call a “mini camp” right after we finished breaking the finale, talking about the broad strokes of Season 3. I’m really excited. There are some really cool ideas.
IGN: A couple weeks ago, you guys wound up beating The Flash to the punch with that unexpected little musical number.
IGN: Has there been any talk of doing a full-blown musical episode at some point?
Guggenheim: You know… not really, to be honest with you. We love to have a little bit of singing on the show. But unless we could do it in a way that was different from how Flash handled it, I think it would just wind up being repetitive. I think if we’re going to do some kind of gimmick on Legends that can lean into the zaniness of Legends, we’d probably just pick a different device.
Spoilers up through the current episode of Arrow continue below.
IGN: Before we wrap up, I did want to bring up Arrow real quick. This most recent episode ended with Adrian having his secret exposed and going on the run. Does that kind of change the dynamic between Green Arrow and Prometheus next time they meet? Is Adrian more on the defensive now?
Guggenheim: I don’t think Chase is ever on the defensive. I think we’ve made it pretty clear that Chase is playing a very long game. That’s not to say that him being outed by Green Arrow was planned. In fact, it’s probably the first thing that happened that wasn’t according to plan. The reason we did it that way is that it’s one thing to show that Chase is formidable by showing how well he plans ahead. But I think it shows how even more formidable he is when you see him react to a setback. And obviously, we still have five more episodes in the season left to go, so there’s still plenty more story to tell with Chase. Things are really going to up-end for the next year.